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Lady Elizabeth Lady of Thules, Poyntz Butler, Viscountess of Thurles

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Lady Elizabeth Lady of Thules, Poyntz Butler (10th GGM)

1588–1673

BIRTH FEB 1588 • Iron Acton, South Gloucestershire Unitary Authority, Gloucestershire, England

DEATH 27 MAY 1673 • Thurles, County Tipperary, Ireland

Elizabeth, Lady Thurles

From Wikipedia

Elizabeth Poyntz (1587 – May 1673), daughter of Sir John Pointz (died 1633) of Iron Acton in Gloucestershire and his second wife Elizabeth Sydenham, became Lady Thurles in 1608 when she married Thomas Butler, Viscount Thurles, son of Walter, 11th Earl of Ormond. Apparently, the marriage was against her father-in-law’s wishes. This may have been less on her account than her father’s: Sir John Pointz was notoriously improvident in matters of finance and died pennilessly.

Some sources say that she lived in Thurles Castle from this marriage until her death (1608–1673), except for a short period (1658–1660) during the rule of Cromwell—she was a Catholic Royalist.[3] It is not clear, however, that she could have returned to Thurles Castle because Lewis writes that “this castle, during the parliamentary war, was garrisoned for the King, but was afterward taken by the parliamentarian forces, by whom it was demolished”.[4] On the other hand, Lady Thurles may have returned to a newer building on or close to the site of the castle which may also have been called Thurles Castle; Grose, writing in 1791,[5] and Armitage, writing in 1912,[6] seem to imply that a building called Thurles Castle still existed in their times.

Lady Elizabeth died May 1673 • Thurles, County Tipperary, Ireland

She and Lord Thurles had three sons and four daughters before he drowned on 15 December 1619, when the ship carrying him to England was wrecked off the Skerries near Anglesey. This was shortly after the start of his father’s long imprisonment in the Fleet Prison in London[2] and Thomas had been on his way to answer charges of treason for having garrisoned Kilkenny.

After his death, Lady Thurles married again, about 1620. With her second husband, Captain George Mathew of Radyr and Llandaff in Glamorganshire, Wales, she had two more sons and one more daughter. Her second husband died in 1636 at Tenby in Wales. She lived a further 37 years, dying in Thurles in May 1673. She was buried beside what is now the Protestant church of St. Mary’s in Thurles.

An oil portrait of Lady Thurles is held by Tipperary County Library in Thurles.

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Descendants

From the first marriage

Her eldest son, James Butler, became 1st Duke of Ormonde and Lord Lieutenant of Ireland. One of her daughters, Elizabeth Butler, married James Purcell, 12th Baron of Loughmoe, her son being Nicholas Purcell, the 13th (and last) Baron. Another daughter, Mary Butler (died 1675), married Sir George Hamilton (1607–1679), 1st Baronet of Donalong.[3]

From the second marriage

One of the sons Lady Thurles had with her second husband was also called George Mathew; he had a daughter, Frances Mary Mathew, who, in 1723, married John Ryan, a member of one of the few remaining landed Catholic families in County Tipperary at the time, and lived with him at Inch House in the townland of Inch.

References

  1. ^ “Elizabeth Poyntz, lady of Thurles Eley”. Archived from the original on 4 March 2016. Retrieved 13 October 2012.
  2. ^ Jump up to:a b http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/BUTLER.htm
  3. ^ Jump up to:a b Thurles – Ancestral Home of Prince Charles and Lady Diana
  4. ^ Lewis, Samuel. A Topographical Dictionary of Ireland, p. PA634, at Google Books, London: S. Lewis and Co., 1837, p. 623.
  5. ^ Grose, Francis. The antiquities of Ireland, (1791)
  6. ^ Armitage, Ella S. The Early Norman Castles of the British Isles, (1912)

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How I am related to Lady Elizabeth

SEAN O’RIORDAN

The Black Castle, which is in the heart of Thurles town center, has been in private ownership for many years, but it has just gone on the open market along with a commercial building which links it directly to the main square, which will make it very accessible.

Locals want it turned into a visitor attraction and believe it would get a lot of spin-off of business from the nearby Rock of Cashel, which attracts more than 300,000 visitors a year.

The campaign is being led by local county councilor Jim Ryan, who is urging the OPW and Tipperary County Council to purchase it.

Mr. Ryan said that although built in the 1600s, the castle is “in good nick” and could easily be converted into a visitor center, which could be marketed as part of Ireland’s Ancient East attractions.

The castle was first occupied by Lady Elizabeth Poyntz, known as Lady Thurles, and her husband, Viscount Thomas Butler.

Their son, the Duke of Ormond, is directly related to Prince Charles.

Lady Thurles is also related to the Hamilton family, who married into the Spencer family and therefore the bloodline includes Princess Diana, who died in a car crash in Paris in 1997.

Princess Diana was the 12th cousin, twice removed, of Lady Thurles.

Lady Thurles died in 1673. At her own request, she was buried inside a church on the site, which was built over and is now known as St Mary’s Church of Ireland Church.

A polished commemorative limestone plaque within the church building recalls this historic period.

Locals feel that the double royal connection is a real seller, especially as the future heirs to the British throne will always have the Thurles lineage.

Thurles has suffered a lot of job losses in recent years and locals believe the visitor center would help boost the local economy.

“The Rock of Cashel is only down the road and we’d be hoping to attract some of the visitors there to Thurles,” said Mr. Ryan.

“Given the important history of the castle, it would make a good addition to the tourism market in the town.”

BEYOND THE BORDERS OF THE KNOWN WORLD

Robert Sephyr writes in his book about Maria Orsic that Aryans created a high civilization that existed many millennia ago. It was destroyed by melting ice or the onset of the ice age. This home of the original Aryans was called Thule and it was located at the northernmost reaches of the Earth, the land beyond the northern wind. Ultima Thule in medieval geographies denotes any distant northern area located beyond “borders of the known world.

Nazi mystics said this was the capital of ancient Hyperborea, which they placed Ultima Thule in the extreme north below Greenland or Iceland. Thulists believed in the hollow earth theory and said there were underground worlds below.

Thurles is in Tipperary
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Above Waterford and Cork, beside Liberick is Tipperary showing Thurles near the center, top. Is this the ancestral home of the Thule?

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